tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8984215788964782472.post2434567990994226199..comments2024-03-13T08:32:53.348-06:00Comments on SafeGrowth: Les Miserables - reinventing the wheel?GSavillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17000359367472580777noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8984215788964782472.post-30163705253390597432012-04-02T05:20:56.213-06:002012-04-02T05:20:56.213-06:00I'm reminded of the Far Side cartoon where the...I'm reminded of the Far Side cartoon where the student, with the small head and large body, asks to be excused because his brain is full.<br /><br />For an agency looking to do something rather than the nothing of traditional policing, evidence-based policing (EBP) is a huge step forward. It's easy in one regard, that often it does not require sustainable partnerships within the community, and guess what, it does work to reduce crime. On the other hand, it's no trick making a lot of money...if what you want to do is make a lot of money. If nothing lasting comes out of EBP, if it does not increase community efficacy, especially when the police role changes- new chief comes in, money dries up, crisis in legitimacy (Trayvon Martin)- what good it? What happens to the crime reduction?<br /><br />I think that these is a place for both, EBP and problem solving, though I don't think anyone has yet to come up with a Grand Unified Theory to show how they can work together to compliment each other. I think that police and social scientists should work closely and share responsibility for the governing science of policing. I think communities need to focus on improving what already exists rather than on new development. And I think that one of the real tragedies of the great recession is the loss of COPS funding that could have been used to further some of this.Tim Hegartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01925002384493852257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8984215788964782472.post-35563111607924941022012-04-01T14:23:50.735-06:002012-04-01T14:23:50.735-06:00Thanks Tim for that excellent question. For method...Thanks Tim for that excellent question. For methods and procedures how to do a SafeGrowth plan we published this: http://www.lisc.org/content/publications/detail/8184/<br /><br />As for evidence in community development programs it does exist though it rarely shows up in the form of the "Preventing Crime" publication. For example The CPTED Bibliography has 1,000 studies over 35 years. It's online here: http://www.safecascadia.org/documents/CPTED_Bibliography2012.htm<br /><br />Side note: The community-development "evidence" isn't like the evidence-based stuff suggested for prevention by Larry Sherman. He says prevention needs to be like medicine, more evidence-based and less anecdotal. I agree. We must move beyond anecdote and ideology in crime policy. <br /><br />However, the example of medicine overstates the case. It is a flawed method for our work. It uses rigorous data for theory-testing. Those data are tangible - bacteria levels, blood types, etc. <br /><br />Not so in the social world where things are intangible and poorly measured (like crime). We should still strive to clarify, quantify, and make tangible. But medicine is simply the wrong model for asking what works.<br /><br />Malcolm Sparrow has wrote a blistering critique called "Governing Science". NIJ has posted it here: http://www.nij.gov/pubs-sum/232179.htm<br /><br />Stan Lieberson has also written on scientific sociology (from which evidence-based criminology emerges). In "Barking Up the Wrong Tree" he promotes another model. Harvard has posted it here: http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/soc/faculty/lieberson/Barking.pdf.GSavillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17000359367472580777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8984215788964782472.post-35067963600702255262012-04-01T14:16:12.553-06:002012-04-01T14:16:12.553-06:00Thanks Anonymous for the correction. I have change...Thanks Anonymous for the correction. I have changed the wording to read "while accidentally killed after running from police". However, I think it's fair to say those teens would be alive today if not for running from police. <br /><br />Yes I know one might say they shouldn't have been wrongdoing in the first place (or doing whatever they were running from). But given the deplorable conditions allowed to fester in hotspots like Chichy, that's easier said than done when what is "normal" for us is very far away for them.GSavillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17000359367472580777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8984215788964782472.post-14588121319716910522012-04-01T06:51:23.577-06:002012-04-01T06:51:23.577-06:00Greg,
You frequently mention individual success st...Greg,<br />You frequently mention individual success stories, like San Romanoway, but is there research out there that examines multiple success stories to determine what they have in common? Or to put it another way, we all know "Preventing Crime: What Works, What Doesn't, and What's Promising" like the back of our hands. And at least for some agencies, that work and others that followed made a tremendous difference. The police can now select strategies that have been proven to work and can avoid those doomed to fail. Has anyone done the same thing for community efficacy? If not, it's long overdue.Tim Hegartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01925002384493852257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8984215788964782472.post-60214212814198838202012-04-01T01:25:48.257-06:002012-04-01T01:25:48.257-06:00The 2005 Paris riots started when two men were ele...The 2005 Paris riots started when two men were electrocuted while running away from police officers. There were conflicting accounts as to whether the men were being chased by police at the time. I don't think it is reasonable to say that they were "killed by police".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com